New here, would love some advice/support
- by jillybird
- 2014-03-30 10:03:39
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Hello all, I've been lurking on and off but decided to register as I'd love to have some support and bounce ideas off others who can relate to me! Here is my story - I don't have a pacemaker as of now but feel like things are heading in that direction. I am 36 years old, married mom of 3, and have always been active and healthy. I have had a tendency to pass out here and there, and low-normal blood pressure all my life. The passing out could almost always be tied to a trigger - blood draw, stomach flu, etc. But I had a really bad episode in 2009 where I fainted repeatedly, and even in the ER they were trying to discharge me when it happened again and my HR dropped extremely low so they scrambled to get it up then admitted me for a couple days. Got some IV fluids, echo came back normal, so they chalked it up to vasovagal syncope and sent me on my way. Things were ok for a few years but now recently it's been happening more often. In June I had sudden intense back pain and passed out. Then again in Oct. I felt like it was still a vagal response since it could be tied directly to that event. In January I passed out after feeling nauseous and bumped my head (not the first time). It became clear that it was the stomach flu because my husband got sick that day too, so I'm thinking, ok, I know I'm at higher risk when sick. But now, last week, I passed out with no apparent trigger. I was sitting on my son's bed, it was the middle of the night and I probably had low blood sugar and low BP, but felt the wave of nausea and laid on the floor. Still passed out...that is the problem - even when I lay down I am passing out. And the other concern is that I am losing bladder control on some of the faints but not all. I have been witnessed having seizure like movements but upon research know that this is pretty common and not indicative of epilepsy. But I wanted to ask, does anyone else loose bladder control when they faint? It's hard to find info on that. I have had an EEG and CT scan of the head - no indications of epilepsy. I have worn a 24 hour holter, 30 day event monitor, had another echo, many EKG's and everything has come back normal. I am not so sure the syncope is merely vasovagal anymore and my concern is - this seems to be a drop in BP and bradycardia concurrently - so which one is the culprit? I am getting myself into an experienced EP lab/cardiologist and will be doing the tilt table test to see if I can get some answers. My concern is that they will say - oh your heart stopped for a few seconds, you need a pacemaker. But what if I have one inserted, but then still have this issue with sudden drops in BP and am still passing out, just with a better heart rate??! Does anyone have similar issues to mine? I guess I just need some guidance and need to find a cardiologist who has dealt with people like me. I am partly terrified to get a pacemaker (my mom had a horrible complication with hers and nearly died) and eager to get one and stop living with this fear. Thanks for listening to this long ramble and I appreciate any words of wisdom you all can give!
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Wisdom..
by MelodyMarch - 2014-03-30 11:03:37
VVS is one of the harder things in cardiology to 1. Get docs of all stripes to listen to you and 2. Treat. There are some EP's out there who won't even consider pacemaker implantation for VVS, feeling that it is all a reflex, and no true electrical problem with the heart exists.
The medical literature doesn't help us in this regard, with indications for pacemaker implantation being class II at best. For those that have a purely blood pressure response, PM's are not indicated. Those with mixed type (documented BP and HR drops) it can be a saga trying to get treatment (it was for me). Doctors will want to try all the meds/lifestyle changes they can with you as a pacemaker is permanent. Those with a dramatic heart rate response or pause the pacemaker indication is pretty clear.
I can tell you that I have mixed-type VVS with SSS. My mixed type VVS was diagnosed first with a tilt-table, my BP would drop to about 90/40 with a. HR in the 20's, that glorious no-mans land of indications for pacemaker. I then had 5 years of meds and struggle. Then finally last fall I felt really, really crummy, I persuaded my EP to do a 48hr holter, after passing out twice at school. The holter found my really low HR and really fast ones, so the doc pulled me in the hospital, pulled me off all my meds, and found I was chronotopically incompetent and that I had SSS. I still had a vaso-vagal reaction, so I am truly a mixed up case of actual electrical issues in combo with some BP issues.
Now as I am still a newbie around here with only having sparky about 6months, I probably don't have everything quite right. However, I can tell you that my QOL is so much better with my PM. My BP has gotten more stable, I can exercise and not feel like a zombie. I pace 25% of the time through the atrium,and less than 1% in the ventricles. My EP told me on Friday when I was in for my check "If only all of my VVS patients got instantly better with a PM and responded to treatment the way you have!" Do I still have to walk a balance beam with the VVS- yes, I do, I still take meds (admittedly, I do a lot with salt and caffeine), but the balance is much easier now.
I would find an EP you trust, get that tilt table and see where it goes. Do keep us posted on your progress.
Incontinence and faints
by Selwyn - 2014-03-31 08:03:59
Yes, incontinence of urine is well described during faints
(http://europace.oxfordjournals.org/content/3/2/141.full.pdf) in about 3% of events.
Have I seen such a thing with faints - yes.
All that is incontinence is not necessarily epilepsy.
If you continue to have low BP during a faint this can produce a 'convulsion' - have I seen such a thing with faints- yes. Usually laying the person flat and lifting the legs will stop the twitching.
The diagnosis of epilepsy is best left to the specialists.
Driving...
by MelodyMarch - 2014-03-31 10:03:48
I do drive,though right now I am not due to a broken ankle from a totally icy sidewalk in February.
I have not had any episodes or near episodes from when I had the PM installed in October. Luckily I would always get my episodes from getting up too fast, or after standing too long (standing is part of my job). The only time I didn't drive was for a long weekend after the procedure, I was implanted on a Wednesday, driving again the following Monday, and back to work on the following Thursday. Everyone's situation is different though.
Other than that, I crave salt like an Egyptian mummy, and my EP says go for it which is the opposite of most heart patients.
Glad I could help.
you guys are great!
by jillybird - 2014-03-31 12:03:02
@Theknotguy - my mom's pacemaker implantation was only 2 years ago so unfortunately it's recent. I think it was just a freak thing and you're right, I have to consider the odds that there are millions out there who have no complications. It's just in my nature to be a worrier so every day I just have to tell myself that life is a wonderful gift and live each day to the fullest!
@MelodyMarch thank you so much, it's really encouraging to hear I'm not alone and so interesting to hear from those in the same, weird boat. I always make sure to keep really hydrated and drink a concoction of salty water w/ crystal light all day as well as salting everything. I wonder how my tilt table will turn out - I can see myself being in that no-mans land category with BP/HR and being no closer to a resolution! lol Do you drive and if so, have you had any episodes/near episodes? I have taken precautions like driving on the right side always and trying to take back roads, but if my VVS is going to start becoming more unpredictable I don't want to take any risks at all. Anyway, I will keep you all updated and thanks again for the encouragement!! What a wonderful group this is :)
so helpful!
by jillybird - 2014-04-01 02:04:17
Thanks so much MelodyMarch, that is so funny about the salt :) Everyone around me is in disbelief when I am salting my beverages and food and saying it's for medical purposes, lol!
Selwyn, thank you SO much for the link to that article, that is so incredibly helpful and I'm going to do some more investigating from the references listed on the bottom. What a great resource!
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by Theknotguy - 2014-03-30 10:03:38
Post pacemaker my life is about 99.999% of what it was pre pacemaker. I can't lift 90 pound 4x8 foot sheets of 3/4" melamine. Big deal. I wasn't doing too much of that before I got my PM.
Medical science has advanced considerably since your mother had a pacemaker. So things she had to go through you won't have to. Things that were bad for her won't necessarily be bad for you.
I feel you'd be tired of passing out all the time and would like to get on with your life. And you'd especially like to get on with a much more normal life. Yeah, it's scary. But with your health deteriorating that's got to be scary too.
Of the three million plus people who have PM's you only see a fraction of the people on this site. A lot of them are living normal lives with minimal problems.
We've got people on this site with PM's who are skydiving, scuba diving, skiing, weight lifting, running in 5K runs, training for marathons, working in power plants, working on diesel-electric motors, arc welding, and doing a lot of other stuff.
Start looking on the positive side. Things can get better.
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