DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THOSE WITH A PM/ICD

I don't know what the California laws, or any state or federal laws are regarding people having pacemakers and/or defibrillators may be. But any law or rule that places a penalty restriction on people with a heart assist device is unfair and asinine. All that any of us that have these heart assist devices have done is learned that we have a medical problem and that problem has been corrected or helped by a man-made device. Getting that manmade device has not made us a higher risk for any activity. That includes not being a higher risk for life insurance coverage. I'll concede that PM/ICD wearers may not be the most desirable candidates for medical insurance because if we have one of these, it is not if but it is when will that expensive device have to be replaced.

What started this are the questions from Chiliman: "Are there state regulations (California here) for people with ICD's? Do EP's generally allow patients to drive? Do ICD's give any pre-defibrillating warning before firing" got me to thinking about how the laws in some states discriminate against pacemaker/ICD patients.

According to the information I have gotten is some people get a few seconds warning before the ICD fires, and some do not. Either way, it is a moot point when you consider the reason you have that ICD. If you did not have the ICD and went into V-fib, or V-tach that could very well be worse than the shock you will get from the ICD. In my opinion your potential risk to yourself and other drivers comes not from the fact you have that ICD, but comes from the fact you have a heart ailment that can be debilitating.

If laws exist that single out drivers a PM and/or ICD, then we should have laws that penalize everyone with a serious health problem. For example, some people with a low heart rate of very low blood pressure (either of which they may not be aware of) are at risk of passing out anytime, anyplace. Any of us are at risk to some degree of having a stroke without warning. The list can go on and on. The thing is if the lawmakers want only healthy people driving cars trucks or whatever, then very rigid physical examinations should be required to get a drivers license. Even that would guarantee no health problem related accidents as we often see news items about athletes in the prime of life dropping dead.

I think it is time that those of us or those that have family members, with a pacemaker and/or a defibrillator to mount a campaign to demand that we not face discrimination, a restriction or penalty of any kind because we have a heart assist device. After all I am no greater risk to others, because I have a PM, than my neighbor who may need one but has not yet had that need diagnosed and therefore does not have one.

All of this brings us back to the one fact that in life there are no guarantees. We all pay our money and we take our chances.


5 Comments

driving in the uk

by Peter.Nash - 2008-06-12 03:06:57

I agree with Smitty here ..it really is a nonsense .I had my ICD implanted and it came with a six months driving ban... yet for years they let me drive with my dodgy ticker that could have spat the dummy at anytime.. with the ICD I consider I was a lot safer driving than a lot of other people... and me in my pre ICD years.

I think you will find to in the UK if you change your meds if you have an implant you get a maditory 2 months ban as well.
If your ICD fires it is another automatic ban for six months.... what a load of cods wallop.. don't think the law makers have anything better to do ..I don't think the people who make some of these decisions have any Idea or understanding of what they are talking about... that's for opinion anyhow Peter.N

Not being able to drive

by bini - 2008-06-12 06:06:23

I was told by my cardio that I am not aloud to drive a car until I am 6 months of being faint free. Beucase it is under Doctors orders I could get into trouble if I was cuaght driving. So since then, I haven't been able to drive for almost 4 years. Verry frustrating!

I know one day my fainting when go away, but I can't imagine being told that i can't drive due to having a PM/ICD....how insane!

Aw Hell No!

by ghettofibrullous - 2008-06-12 11:06:56

OMG!!!! There are some states that won't let someone drive w/ an ICD??? That would make me lose my job and, basically, my life! I got this thing to HELP myself, not to have big brother telling me what I can and can't do! It would be WAY more dangerous for someone to be driving WITHOUT an ICD/PM - but who's going to go get one if it means they get their license revoked?

I don't have anything to add,

by bambi - 2008-06-13 12:06:41

but it's good to see you back Smitty! Hadn't heard from you in awhile!
Bambi

CA regulations

by auntiesamm - 2008-06-16 12:06:20


The requirement in CA has been for many years that a physician report any patient who has lost consciousness regardless of the reason. There is no specifc disease or condition stated other than "loss of consciousness". An ICD is never mentioned in the regulations. A person who is rendered unconscious may have sustained brain damage - lack of O2 to the brain - and can very possibly no longer be safe behind the wheel. In the hospital setting we see many patients who fit this category. Also, patients with suspected Alzheimer's or other mental deterioration may be reported if the physician believes he/she presents a danger behind the wheel. This is a very simplistic explanation. For more in depth info search: Title 13, CA Code of Regulations. I hope this clarifies the initial posting and subsequent comments.
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