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Hello there, I'm Liz. I'm trying to decide where to begin, I'm sure not everyone is interested in my long(Though short) complicated medical history. If you only read the first few sentences of this post, here's what I'd love to know from you.

Your top tips for pacemaker surgery: Anything special to bring along, anything to be careful of, any funny stories ;)

Your top tips for pacemaker recovery: What helped your pain the most, how long was your recovery, when could you get out of bed after surgery, ect.

Your most noticeable lifestyle change/symptom of having the implant: Can you feel it pacing, do you have full range of motion in your arm, do you wear a medical ID bracelet, do you get a lot of pat downs at airports?

Also, has anyone here had 'post junction rhythm'? I know they come in varying forms, I've developed one today and though my doctor is very good at explaining, I would really like to hear anything you know or have heard.

I would love to work backwards to make this less boring, but I can't seem to. If you're only interested in my most recent need for a pacemaker and such, skip a few paragraphs. Alright? Alright. So, as I was saying, hello there! I'm Liz, 19 years old with a post junction rhythm after sinus node ablation. About a year and a half ago I started having some strange chest pain, and after a tiny fever I woke up too dizzy to drive. I went to urgent care where I was treated for bronchitis, then reactive asthma, and then forced to get a grown up primary care doctor(I was seventeen turning eighteen when I got sick) who sent me onto a pulmonologist. I was out of breath, shaky, exhausted, with lots of chest pain. When they walked me around with a pulse ox my oxygen was dropping into the seventies, so they figured it was a lung problem. That doctor decided I needed to see a cardiologist, who decided I had a PFO(tiny little hole in the middle of my heart, a birth defect), and sent me onto another cardiologist to close it. Well, the bubble test was wrong, there was no PFO. Rather, tiny malformed veins in my lungs sending insignificance amounts of oxygenated blood back to my heart.

There's one pointless cath lab procedure, are you counting?(You'll only need three fingers.

So I was sent onto a rhythm specialist, along with a rhuematologist, and an edocrinologist. Did I mention my thyroid levels were barely hyper, it was swelling up and down, and no one quite knew what to do? They still haven't decided on that. Anyways, back to my heart. My rhythm specialist, a brilliant man, was a little intense. He's very intelligent, but when he's confused or anxious he can be very intense, almost interrogating. Best doctor I've ever had, possibly the smartest person I've ever met, but I definitely cried after a few appointments. He's great at ruling out everything, so after he discovered that I most definitely had some tachycardia going on, we did an EP study.

My resting heart rate was 120 at the start, and when he gave me the tiniest bit of medicine it jumped up. Unfortunately, nothing to ablate. I was diagnosed with Inappropriate Sinus Tachycardia, and my life was rather sedentary. This was last november. Since then I've been able to do very, very little. My heart was very over reactive to the slightest movement, so I mostly laid on the couch and tried every drug I was asked to try. Ablating the sinus node can lead to a pacemaker, and I'm young, so we were very cautious in considering every other option. Unfortunately a stress test a couple of weeks ago showed a significant worsening. Not only was my heart rate jumping up into the 130s every time I took a breath(major over reaction on my heart's part), after going a few mere minutes on the treadmill I had to stop because I felt as though I were drowning. My heart rate had a very hard time coming back down, and my cardiologist ordered an ablation and an echo to check for damage. Fortunately, no damage!

AND TO THE PRESENT!

I went in yesterday morning, making the mistake of booking an afternoon appointment. They were running late, as they often are. I try not to let it bother me because I know he's never left me when I needed him for the sake of being 'on time', so I don't mind waiting my turn. Super easy check in, same nurse and cath lab team as I'd had before, so I was pretty comfortable. I was, however, nervous about whether or not I would wake up with a pacemaker. I'm not afraid of having one if I need it, but I don't like going under without knowing what I'll wake up to. Fortunately/unfortunately I never actually went to sleep. I have a low pain tolerance, not in the sense that I don't try to tough things out or beg for drugs, but that I feel pain very easily. He was confused from the start about my chest pain, even at lower rates, but I know it was my body's way of telling me to sit the heck down. So anyways, apparently I had quite the rough ablation. I remember a few dull moments(I was bored, go figure), and almost all of the pain. None when they started(though I'm told I claimed to feel it), but multiple times throughout the rest of the procedure. I remember specifically two of the three times he ablated...woah nelly. The only way I can describe it is if someone took a blow torch filled with fire, menstrual cramps, a sunburn, and bruises and lit it up inside my chest. It spread through and up my neck, and then I yelled in my drugged, shocked state. He asked them to give me more drugs, the second one was just as bad if not worse. The pain didn't leave when he stopped, it ebbed, and stayed irritated. Now, mind you, I know this is not the normal ablation process. Most people feel nothing, and most people remember nothing. My EP study was pretty darn painless, and very smooth. But while I'm quite sensitive to pain, I am like a tank against numbing medication and pain meds. It takes two to three times the normal amount to put me under/numb an area, and I stopped taking the pain meds because they couldn't touch it. But I'll get there.

So I was bored for a while, and confused, and when I asked the random man next to me(Tim?) if he'd ablated anything he said yes. I asked if he found a bad pathway or my sinus node. Tim had no idea or wasn't permitted to tell me. So they take me back to my room, and I was going off about how much it had hurt. My ankles were also bothering me, but I had zero pain at the catheter site. I know, strange. I had been expecting a pacemaker, so I was a little surprised at not having one. There was a blissful moment where I saw my heart rate at sixty for the first time since last may, and I nearly cried. Unfortunately I began to feel like something was really, really wrong. I kept turning to look at the monitor every time I felt weird, only to find it in the forties. I assumed that this new rate was too low for my body, but everyone kept insisting that I was fine.

My family left, and soon after I started having trouble seeing. I'd been allowed morphine, but after the percocet nearly blinded me(I'm being dramatic, it was blurry) I decided I didn't want any more. They weren't helping anyways, so the nurse called my doctor and he said to take some ibeprophen to help the inflammation in my chest. It basically feels like I've got a bad sunburn inside, but the technical term is pericarditis. No big deal, not a problem. I got a little bit of sleep, maybe an hour or two, and when the nurse woke me up I asked to be walked(the two feet) to my bathroom. I felt significantly better standing, a fact that would soon make me believe I was crazy. I went to the bathroom, felt okay, sat back down....horrible.

It was the start of a very long, very painful night. On top of the pericarditis I was having some serious problems with being dizzy. Every time I fell asleep I would awake with a jolt within minutes, dizzy, and woozy, and nauseous. I kept telling them I was too dizzy to sleep, but I didn't need help to the bathroom because I felt find standing. You can imagine the looks. I was starting to believe I was losing my mind a little, even though it only got worse and worse as the day wore on. They had a very nice, very old doctor come to assure me I wasn't dying, and then mine came around mid morning.

He'd never push you into a diagnosis, which can be hard. It requires brutal honesty on my part, which is difficult when I know my symptoms don't make any sense(to me). You're fine to walk around but you feel dizzy and awful in bed? Someone needs attention. Anyways, he came back later and had me walk around the office a few times, and explained that I had developed an arrhythmia called post junction rhythm. Apparently the AV node tries to help out now that my sinus node is damaged, so every time my heart rate gets low it starts going off. Unfortunately, this makes different parts of my heart beat at different times. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was groggy and I haven't slept in two days haha.

But he wasn't SURE if it was bad enough to put a pacemaker in, so he left for a while and came back. Lucky me, I'd just been doing my little game of nap-wake-nap-wake and I felt horrible. He asked again and kept me blabbing, and I told him I had this immense pressure in my throat and dizziness while lying down, occasionally some while standing, but for the most part I felt better when I stood. He was giving me this 'look', and his 'deep thinking' looks a lot like his 'are you sure?' so I just blurted out some "I don't know"'s. And then, moment of truth, he asked if I was feeling it now. The answer was yes, but not the worst I'd had, so I hesitated for a minute before deciding I was. He disappeared to look at the monitor in the other room, came back, and said I had two options. A pacemaker tomorrow, or he could send me home with something to help me sleep and give me a few days to see if it magically disappears, or the sky falls, or I win the lottery. Basically it's not happening, but I needed to go home and take a real shower and all that. Apparently a pacemaker should take care of most of the bad rhythms, though I may still have a few here and there.

And so, here I am. I took Lorazepam about an hour ago, and so far...not really feeling it. Groggy, maybe, but I am forced to continuously stand to keep my heart rate up or I go right into junction. If I don't sleep tonight I will be joining the pacemaker club very soon, and if I do it will be sometime next week. I would really appreciate it if you would answer the questions above!

All details, stories, and tidbits would be appreciated!

I'd also just like to say that I feel very, VERY blessed. It's been a rough year, a tough couple of days, but I am very grateful. There was a time I thought that I would have to suffer through my tachycardia for the rest of my life, and I sit before you at 56 bpm. This arrhythmia is a tiny speed bump, and I'm lucky that a pacemaker can fix me. This is a happy, happy moment. It's great that there's an online community with so much information and fellowship.

Looking forward to hearing form you!


5 Comments

Junctional rhythm

by golden_snitch - 2014-07-10 03:07:03

Hi Lizzy!

Well, my AV-nodal rhythm wasn't that fast in the beginning, too. In 2001, I only had episodes at rest, when the rate was around 60bpm. Felt like every beat was a PVC. Over the years, it got faster and faster (accelerated) and also acted up when I moved around. In the end I had it for long episodes at rest and ALWAYs when I moved. Hope you are spared from this experience, and that just setting the pacer at 60 or 70 solves your problem.

The AV-node just does what it's supposed to do, when the sinus node fails: it takes over the job of keeping the heart beating. It's not an arrhythmia, it's how nature meant it to be. Only when the AV-node speeds up too much, it's an arrhythmia. My AV-node was easily able to do 140bpm or more (usually the escape rhythm from the AV-node is 40-60bpm).

Yes, I also had all the symptoms you describe. I had a retrograde VA-conduction and that in combination with the accelerated junctional rhythm lead to my atria and ventricles either beating at the same time or the ventricles beating first. Lots of pumping against closed heart valves.

Good luck with the implant!

Inga

Easy and Fix rarely go together

by LizzieB - 2014-07-10 03:07:47

nga, thank you for the info! Alas, I have no expectations of a magical cure. Our hearts, bless them love to change and screw us over. It's good to hear your story to put things in perspective so that I'm not devastated if this isn't my last trip to the cath lab. I won't be devastated, they know me there. I've got some good friends who play pirates of the Caribbean sound tracks and hold the defibrillator pads under their shirts to try to warm them up for me. Great people.

Until I have a problem, I won't be looking into second opinions. I've had three cardiologists, more that looked at my case, and this is the only one that I trust wouldn't do anything that wasn't the absolute best option for me. I was forced to miss out on college, work, and basically everything else for months and months of med trials. And I'm glad, because I have full confidence that he will never push for surgery if he thinks there's a drug I can live on.

Fortunately, my junction has only been showing up when my heart drops into the forties, maybe once or twice outside. As long as I keep moving I feel great, it's just when I sit or lay down that the problems come on. Hopefully we can set a high base rate and solve that. My doctor told me that this might not take away the junction altogether, but it should narrow it down to occasional small episodes. And sleep. That's my biggest problem right now, my complete inability to stay asleep.

I'm new to the terminology, but he never used the word accelerated to describe my junction. My heart rate doesn't jump high when it happens, which is nice, because then he'd probably have to ablate that too. So there's no need for medicine to lower it at the moment, and even if there were I've been proven very intolerant to beta blockers. My blood pressure is as easily influenced as a lost puppy, it'll just go anywhere. The hospital I'm at is the best heart hospital I could go to in my area. It's really well known for it, and well worth the drive. They have seen what I have before, he knows exactly how to handle it, and he's very cautious. He doesn't rush into anything, and you can't find anyone from a nurse to a stress test tech that isn't singing his praises. Most doctors wouldn't want to risk an ablation on a sinus node of someone my age, because they avoid pacemakers like the plague, but my quality of life was in dire need. And, I've got to hand it to him. He got my sinus node down to a safe rate without a pacemaker. But, you know, we medical mysteries have to keep things interesting, so I decided I would throw in some junction to keep things interesting. Fortunately he walked me around the office a lot, and I had no junction as long as I kept my heart rate up.

As my rhythm is directly related to my low heart rate, a pacemaker should take care of AT LEAST most of the junction. I'm perfectly fine as long as I'm not sitting and relaxed. It must have been really stressful and difficult to have yours get worse with movement, and I'll definitely remember and be watching for it to worsen. But, as of right now, mine seems to be a common little arrhythmia that is triggered when my heart gets into it's lower stages. I just picture my AV node running to make up all the slack my sinus node gave off, and going absolutely nowhere. Do you get pressure in your throat? I kept thinking I was choking on something.

Anyways, thank you so much for the info! I'm so glad to hear they finally got your AV node ablated enough, eight it way too many! You should get a badge or something, or at least a membership card and a free appetizer on your birthday. Too bad hospitals aren't more like applebees.

Not an easy fix...

by golden_snitch - 2014-07-10 03:07:54

Hi Lizzie!

I don't won't to discourage you, but I honestly don't think that the pacemaker alone will be a fix - been there, done that.

After four sinus node ablations, I fought an accelerated junctional rhythm for more than 10 years. I already had a single-lead atrial pacemaker after the sinus node ablations, and a couple of years later got an upgrade to a dual-chamber device. It did not help at all with the accelerated junctional rhythm. The only thing that worked for a while was to set the pacemaker at a higher base rate, in my case 70-80, so that it kind of overdrove the AV-nodal rhythm. When this finally failed, I tried every drug available for another 4 years. Some bought me time, like Propafenone + Nebivolol or Amiodarone. In the end, the drugs failed, too. So, after more than 10 years, we finally decided to try to modify the part of the AV-node where that rhythm was coming from by catheter ablation. Didn't work. Two months later we did a more aggressive AV-node ablation to induce a complete heart block. And that helped. The accelerated junctional rhythm hasn't been a problem ever since (September 2012).

Even though this has been a really difficult journey (had several other arrhythmias, so all together 8 ablations), I'd suggest that you take the same route. Since you do not have any pacemaker, yet, you should try different drugs and see, if they can suppress the accelerated junctional rhythm. Or you get the pacemaker, and set it at a high base rate. But then keep in mind that this might not solve the problem for the rest of your life. Pacemakers in general can only take care of slow heart rates/pauses. If there is any rhythm that's faster than the pacemaker, then the pacer is simply inhibited. My AV-junctional rhythm overdrove the pacemaker A LOT, not only at rest, but especially as soon as I moved.

Just wanted to say, it's not as easy as your cardio and you might think. If you have time, you could get a second opinion. Go somewhere where they perform at least 1000 catheter ablations per year, an experienced, big EP department. My EP professor heads a department that does more than 2500 ablations per year, and still I'm a very special case for them. I can only imagine that in a smaller center they might have not seen any case like ours before.

Best wishes

Inga

Great

by sugar - 2014-07-10 07:07:25

I would make sure they put a catheter in because you can't move for many hours and no one is nice about helping you go since you can't get up.
I never stayed in bed because 2 days later I served Thanksgiving (others lifted heavy stuff) and eight days later I was in Vegas with a friend.
Lifting the one arm over the head is not advised when showering etc. I guess things need to settle in with scar tissue around it to make things more stable.

Bathroom trips

by golden_snitch - 2014-07-10 12:07:57

I have had eight pacemaker surgeries so far, and NEVER was not allowed to go to the bathroom the first couple of hours after surgery. I was advised to stay in bed for the first 12 hours or so, but only because I had a little sandsack on the pacemaker pocket to reduce swelling and bruising, and that can apparently only stay in place when you lay down. But whenever I needed to go to the bathroom, I was allowed to do so, even just one hour after surgery.

Inga

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