Welding Thresholds
- by cewitherell
- 2011-11-20 06:11:19
- Interferences
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- 4 comments
Many thanks to Frank and bdon for your very prompt and appropriate comments on my previous message. I may be a newbie to this forum but not to living with a pacemaker (several years with a St. Jude twin lead model). And certainly not a newbie to welding. I am 84 years old and first welded when I was about 10 years old. My father operated a welding fabricator business on our next street in an industrial town near New York City, and I learned both gas and electric welding and machine shop practices at a very early age.
It served me well too as my father died when I was 15 and with WWII on at full blast I was able to get a job when I attained work age at a war plant that made use of my fabricating skills. A few years later, in the US Army, I served as a welder for a tactical bridge company in Korea for two years. Upon discharge I went to engineering school, working part time night shifts as a welder on aluminum heat exchangers for a fabricator in Newark, NJ. Upon graduation I eventually became Director of Welding R&D for an international corporation in NYC. And have worked in the welding field ever since.
Now retired, I am well equipped for welding in my garage shop and want to be able to operate the required power units for arc welding and possibly TIG and MIG, as gas welding has its limitations as we all know.
I have been to St Jude's engineering people and find that practically everybody is reluctant over liability concerns to give us a green light on welding. This is why I have tried to find a definitive measurement or standard for this - a threshold for magnetic field force or whatever energy affects pacemakers adversely. There really is nothing out there, and this is surprising since pacemakers have been around a long time, and so have welders.
My cardiologist and the St. Jude technician say that welding is an absolute no-no; which, to me, is hogwash driven by liability concerns. I am aware of the wrapping together of the power leads to minimize magnetic field influence and the various amp level maximums touted around for welding. I keep coming up with the thought that somewhere someone must have or know of a device that once and for all can measure and establish what is and is not acceptable limits for electric welding.
One method I thought of, but am unable to implement myself, is for the pacemaker technician to bring his computer console to my shop, attach to my pacemaker his doughnut, and measure the effects upon the pacemaker of actual welding operations. So far, I have been unable to muster the willingness of the right people to do these experiments. Perhaps someone on this forum has the right influence with the right people to carry out such tests. We are not talking rocket science here, but straightforward technical trials in the real world.
Anyway, sorry for the long entry, but this is where I am coming from, and I think that there are many other pacemaker users who would benefit from having real numbers to work with. Thanks again for your welcome comments and interest.
Charlie
4 Comments
Field test
by ElectricFrank - 2011-11-21 02:11:09
I've used my own procedure for testing new sources of interference. Mine is based on my being 100% paced so if anything interferes with the pacer I know it immediately. Also, for any reasonable interference, all it takes is to move away from it and things are back to normal. The only concern I have would be getting light headed in a risky situation.
So a typical test for me I did about a year ago was to test the CB radio in my Jeep. It's mounted on the rear just a few feet from the drivers seat and the fiberglass top doesn't provide any shielding. So before going on the road with it I stood next to the Jeep and keyed the transmitter. Then slowly walked over to the antenna and stood about a foot from it. I even whistled in the mike a few times in case the modulation had an effect. Nothing happened so I'm sure it is OK. So what if it had shut down the pacer? Well I would have immediately let go of the mike which would turn it off. The worse that could happen is that I would pass out and land on the ground in which case I would have dropped the mike.
You should be able to run a few tests yourself the same way. In the case of the welder I would have someone with you to shut it down though. And make sure you are in a position where you wouldn't fall into a hot work area.
By the way I'm right behind you at 82 yrs. Last Wed I drove over to Death Valley and hiked up a canyon. No problem.
frank
No Problem here!
by mhkitchens - 2012-01-15 10:01:55
I have had my pacemaker, St. Jude's, since August 2007 for Sick Sinus Bradicardia and have welded with Hobart 140 mig numerous times. I have not had any problems nor has my 6 month interragations identified any events. I am 65 years old and do not let my pacer stop me from doing anything I desire to do and so far no problems.
Re welding
by shieldspf - 2012-01-17 09:01:05
I'm 63 and a girl and have never been near welding (!), but i have 2 comments: the first is that welding is the one thing i was told would definitely interfere with the settings on my pacer. Who knows whether there are work-arounds on that. Sounds like you're well on your way to figuring that out.
the second comment is that it is just SO neat to find people who are SO determined not to let life in all its complexities slow them down. Got a limitation? Get rid of it! You all are wonderful, and really started my day with an extra nice blip on the screen.
Carole
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I'm 35 and got my pacemaker a little over a year ago. It definitely is not a burden to me. In fact, I have more energy (which my husband enjoys), can do more things with my kids and have weight because of having the energy.
Article on using PM to measure interference
by sfbaywalk - 2011-11-20 08:11:46
If the pacemaker is the most sensitive measuring device, then why not figure out how to measure using the pacemaker?
http://www.sta-tn.com/IJ_STA/Papers/volume2/IJSTA_211.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15913816
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1279591
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15270435
Some tips: Http://www.medtronic.com/rhythms/downloads/3071ENp6_Saws_online.pdf