COVID 19 vaccine

Hello! I have a question, I am very concerned about the vaccine and I didn't take it yet, in 10 days I have my pacemaker implant and I am very scared of how it would react with the pacemaker. Has anybody taken the vaccine? 
please let me know!!


16 Comments

vaccine

by new to pace.... - 2021-10-09 21:02:13

have had both doses of Moderna .  Was more concerned about the vaccine itself.  Did not have the shot in my left arm.  Just in case.  Had it in the right arm just a little sore.  Felt just fine.

  I was more concerned about getting Covid19.  Unless your doctor told you not to get the vaccine.  Do get the vaccine your health is more important.

Covid

by AgentX86 - 2021-10-09 21:27:15

Ask your doctor!  Most likely he'll say go ahead but there could be a very good reason not to take it until after your implant.  Two weeks isn't likley a problem but let your EP make that decision.  There are serious side effects of the vaccinations  it's better not to take chances.

Taking chances (or not)

by ar_vin - 2021-10-09 22:02:19

Going into a hospital for a procedure presents a risk. There are known serious complications of every procedure!

It's also possible (though unlikely) that you could contract Covid-19 in the hospital.

It's possible that (though unlikely) that you'll have an automobile accident on the way to or from the hospital.

It's possible (though unlikely) that you'll stumble down the stairs in your home/apartment and break your neck.

It's possible you might get hit by a lightning bolt when you step outside your home.

It's possible you'll choke on your next bite of food and not make it.

If you see a pattern. you'll understand what I'm driving at.

Yes all Covid vaccines available today (in fact *every* vaccine and most medications) can cause complications. 

The only question is: does the risk of taking the vaccine outweigh the risk of contracting Covid. Many of us chose to get the vaccine over risking being infected by Covid.

Far more people have died (or have been seriously ill) after a Covid infection. On the other hand there have been far fewer cases of complications from the Covid vaccines.

Of course as we have seen taking the vaccine does NOT provide 100% protection against Covid infection.

It is *your* job to weigh the relative risks that you face and make a decision for yourself if you want to take the Covid vaccine.

But I wouldn't be surprised if physicians and hospitals choose not to perform "elective" procedures on the unvaccinated.

One example where this is already having an impact: candidates on transplant lists are being kicked off the list if they choose to not get vaccinated; post transplant the patients are given life long immune suppresants that increases their odds of infection including Covid. With a very limited supply of organs, choices must be made as to who would benefit the most and have the best outcomes post transplant.

Welcome to life!

 

 

 

Looking forward to the booster

by Persephone - 2021-10-09 22:26:04

Personally, I got the initial vacc as soon as I could without pushing in line (I could have pressed but didn't really have the need to, so I waited patiently), and am looking forward to scheduling the booster shot.  PM implant in 2018.  You came to the right place to express your fears with regard to implant surgery - we all have them.  As others have said, ask your medical team about the vacc relative to your upcoming surgery - they are best equipped to know of any concerns.  Best wishes to you for a positive experience.

Vaccine

by AgentX86 - 2021-10-09 23:00:41

So you're recomending that one not ask one's doctor about medical procedures before surgery.  OK....

Of course you ask your doctor.....

by ar_vin - 2021-10-10 02:06:18

But only *you* can decide what your risk tolerance is......

No doctor can force you to take any action.....at least not in most civilized healthcare systems.

The doctor will offer an opinion and advice, but then it's still *your* decision to make!

Another idea being considered by many health insurers is to charge a risk premium to the unvaccinated. If one chooses to burden the insurer/healthcare system by choosing not to get vaccinated, the insurer might decide to charge you a higher rate to insure that person. Somewhat analogous to life insurance rates for smokers;  drivers with traffic violations or accidents; higher interest rates for people with poor credit histories.

 

 

 

Ask your doctor then get it as soon as you can

by CyborgMike - 2021-10-10 03:47:38

Lorina

since you are only a few weeks from surgery you should ask your doctor if it is ok to get it now. Like with any vaccine, your immune system will be working hard the first week or two, building antibodies. 
That said, you should get it as soon as your doctor says you can. The data for heart patients dying from Covid is thousands of times higher than serious side effects from the vaccine. You should fear covid 1000X more than the vaccine.
I was also one of the first to get the vaccine, but not because I didn't have any fears or concerns or there weren't risks. I did it because it was the right thing to do for those around me and for society. Every post I see defending vaccine choice talks about your choice and "my rights" and other selfish self-centered tones.  Like I could decide not to get the polio vaccine, selfishly knowing that 99% of society will get it, so we'll have herd immunity. At some point in the last 20 years people stopped caring about others. Those that opt not to get it or discourage others without real medical advice are cowards and are perpetuating this pandemic for all.
 

please fill in your profile

by new to pace.... - 2021-10-10 10:10:44

Would help to know why you are getting a pacemaker.  Do put in your profile what you know .  You can put the model/brand in after you get the device.

reacting with pacemaker

by Tracey_E - 2021-10-10 11:15:47

It won't react at all. Vaccines have no impact on the pacer. 

Having a heart condition makes us more vulnerable to covid which makes the vaccine more important. Ask your doctor about timing. Me, I would want the extra security of having been vaccinated before being in a hospital. YMMV

Lorina

by IAN MC - 2021-10-10 12:05:38

You really are worrying about the wrong thing.  Going into hospital for ANY procedure when you are un-vaccinated carries its own risks . Hospitals have been shown to be some of the most likely places to catch Covid . I agree with Tracey :-

Get vaccinated a.s.a.p. and avoid hospitals until you are !

I had my 3rd jab yesterday and will happily have a 4th, 5th and 6th if that becomes recommended practice

Ian

Vaccination

by AgentX86 - 2021-10-10 21:32:02

I'm glad you folks are the ones dispensing medcal advice.  Yes, there are issues with the covid vaccinations and yes, there are heart related side effects.  Puting the two so close together may not be the best idea.  I don't know.  I'm not your doctor, rather just another anonymous Internet user.

Before any of you get pissy, no, I'm not an anti-vaxer.  I had my second shot February 9th. 

ASK YOUR CARIOLOGIST/EP!  He'll probably recommend that you do but HE IS YOUR DOCTOR and knows something about your condition.  He doesn't just play doctor on the Internet.

consult the doctor

by Persephone - 2021-10-10 23:58:20

Yes, Agent, the message for the member to consult their doctor has consistently been stated among these many posts.

Thank you!

by Lorina - 2021-10-11 00:56:12

Thank you everyone for replying to me, the comments really helped me. Im happy most of you didn't have any side effects with the pacemaker and heart. Personally, if I had a choice I would choose to NOT get the vaccines because there isn't enough research about bradycardia and situs invertus (my condition). 
I think I might get the first dose soon, and the second one (which has been giving a little more issues (fever etc)) Im going to get it after recovery. 
I hope this is the right decision!!! 

Persphone

by AgentX86 - 2021-10-11 10:13:04

No, it has not been consistently stated. Medical advice has been given as fact. That is dangerous water to venture into. Lorina is days from having a heart procedure that the covid vaccine  could complicate in a major way. There is no good advice other than "consult your doctor".

Research about situs invertus and bradycardia

by crustyg - 2021-10-11 18:44:04

Hi Lorina: I think you're going to be waiting a lifetime for there to be *any* research about situs invertus and bradycardia: it's really quite rare.  Dextrocardia is commoner and that's rare too.

Given that the two are developmental oddities from very early embryo development, I don't see any reason to suppose that there's a causal link that makes you less suitable for the current vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 than anyone else with bradycardia.

The accumulated and published evidence is that nearly all of the side-effects that are now accepted for the vaccines are scores or hundreds of times more common in Covid-19 sufferers.  ITP - jury still out, there's a natural incidence of that which is very close to the apparent post-vaccination rates.  And it's called Idiopathic because we don't know what causes it.

As you can see there's no shortage of advice available to you: the wisdom of Solomon is sifting the good advice from the rest.  There aren't that many decisions in Medicine where docs can truly say 'We have good quality evidence to justify every aspect of the planned treatment': there are still plenty of decisions that have to be made on the basis of understanding of normal physiology and biochemistry - first principles in action.

The treatments that were considered best practice when I qualified have been superceded in many areas.  Knowledge moves on, and new data (or, more embarassingly, better evaluation of old data) shows that we had things wrong.  I don't think we're going to be able to satisfy your thirst for certainty in situs invertus - perhaps ever.

Life is all about choices.

Evidence

by AgentX86 - 2021-10-11 20:01:11

Do a web seach on "covid vaccine heart" (I won't point to a messenger for anyone to shoot).  There are more and more reports of the mRNA vaccines causing heart problems (in particular myocarditis and pericarditis).  My point is, even if these problems are rare, they are serious  enough to give pause ten days before a heart procedure.  It's not such a clear cut decision in this case (as I believe the vaccine is for the general population).

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