Does any one have any expierence with a multivitan improving your ef? I had an echo and ef was 45 Dr. said a simple multivitan could improve this,but didnt say what vitamin to take. i take a lot of prescription cardiac drugs and am also wondering about interaction between them and vitamins. Any input would be appricated. thank you


Pacing that Doesn't Bypass the Heart's Conduction System

by Terry - 2008-03-21 02:03:20

If you have a chance to look at emerging scientifec iterature, you will find that ventricular pacing at the His bundle site in the heart has reverse remodeled the heart to a normal EF in pacients who have been paced into heart failure. Questions? Feel free to send a private message to me.



by aldeer - 2008-03-21 03:03:16

There is a warning that if you are on coumadin (which many heart patients are on) be sure to only take
CoQ10 under the guidance of your doctor because it can effect your blood clotting. Please let me know if I am wrong. aldeer

CoQ-10 and anticoagulants.

by Stepford_Wife - 2008-03-21 05:03:14

So as not to alarm anyone, and causing panic among the ones on coumadin, ( warfarin, ) including myself,
( I'm not panicking, ) I am posting some information, that hopefully will appease the minds of many. Or not.
I'd like to add that I get a protime ( prothrombin time test, the time it takes for the blood to coagulate, ) on a regular basis, once a month to twice a month, depending on the results, and that my coumadin dosage is adjusted as needed.
So, without any further ado, voilà!

~ Dominique ~

Possible Interactions with: Coenzyme Q10

Also listed as: Coenzyme Q10; CoQ10; Ubiquinone

If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use CoQ10 without first talking to your healthcare provider.

Daunorubicin and Doxorubicin - Coenzyme Q10 may help to reduce the toxic effects on the heart caused by daunorubicin and doxorubicin, two chemotherapy medications that are commonly used to treat a variety of cancers.

Blood Pressure Medications - In a study of individuals taking blood pressure medications (including diltiazem, metoprolol, enalapril, and nitrate), CoQ10 supplementation allowed the individuals to take lower dosages of these drugs. This suggests that CoQ10 may enhance the effectiveness of certain blood pressure medications, but more research is needed to verify these results.

Warfarin - There have been reports that coenzyme Q10 may decrease the effectiveness of blood-thinning medications such as warfarin, leading to the need for increased doses. Therefore, given that this medication must be monitored very closely for maintenance of appropriate levels and steady blood thinning, CoQ10 should only be used with warfarin under careful supervision by your healthcare provider.

Timolol - CoQ10 supplementation may reduce the heart-related side effects of timolol drops, a beta-blocker medication used to treat glaucoma, without decreasing the effectiveness of the medication.

Other - Medications that can lower the levels of coenzyme Q10 in the body include statins for cholesterol (atorvastatin, cerivastatin, lovastatin, pravastatin, simvastatin), fibric acid derivatives for cholesterol (specifically, gemfibrozil), beta-blockers for high blood pressure (such as atenolol, labetolol, metoprolol, and propranolol), and tricyclic antidepressant medications (including amitriptyline, amoxapine, clomipramine, desipramine, doxepin, imipramine, nortriptyline, protriptyline, and trimipramine).


by BOB 1 - 2008-03-21 05:03:53

Here is what my drug cross reference has to say about this supplement.

Before using product, COENZYME Q10 (ubiquinone, ubidecarenone) tell your doctor or pharmacist of all prescription and nonprescription medications you may use, especially drugs to treat high cholesterol (e.g., atorvastatin, lovastatin, gemfibrozil); any beta-blocker; diabetes medicines (e.g., insulin); or "blood thinners" (e.g., warfarin, coumadin ).

What vitamin to take.

by Stepford_Wife - 2008-03-21 11:03:19

Hi darrell2657.

Everyone is different, and their preferences are also different. I don't think it matters what multivitamin you take, they are pretty much all the same. There are some that are made especially for men, and others that are made especially for women. One gender may need more of something than the other.
At any rate, I take a one- a- day multivitamin, a Co Q- 10 softgel 150mg, a vitamin B50 tablet, a vitamin D tablet 1000iu, a calcium tablet 650mg twice a day, and a magnesium tablet 500mg, as well as 1200mg of omega3 fish oil daily.
None of that interacts with my cardiac meds, on the contrary, it enhances them.
Some meds deplete you of essential vitamins and minerals, so you need supplements to keep the balance.
I will include an article I found, explaining the benefits of Co Q-10.
I hope you can find something that works for you. My doctor is aware of what I take, and is in complete agreement.
I'm not advising you to take what I take, as I mentioned before, everyone is different.
Take care,

~ Dominique ~

News Bulletins
Take CoQ10 to Heart--Cardiologist Warns

If you have heart disease, you must take coenzyme Q10, says Texas cardiologist Peter Langsjoen, a world-recognized researcher and expert on coQ10.

Dr. Langsjoen is especially alarmed about patients on cholesterol-lowering statin drugs, such as Lipitor and Zocor. Such drugs can seriously deplete coQ10, bringing on potentially deadly side effects and a weakening of the heart, he says.

Statin drugs use the same metabolic pathway as coQ10, he says. So when you shut down synthesis of cholesterol, lowering it, you also shut down production of coQ10. "If your cholesterol goes down 50 %, your coQ10 goes down 50%," explains Langsjoen. And that can be disastrous, he says.

CoQ10 is an energy molecule in all cells, primarily in the heart, which must have coQ10 to function. A drop in coQ10 can cause fatigue and muscle pain and weakness, a common side effect of statins. Langsjoen finds that replenishing coQ10 can reverse the statin-induced problems.

However, Dr. Langsjoen prefers to skip statins and treat heart patients with coQ10 alone. He has taken hundreds of patients off statins, and put them on coQ10, and says not a single one has ever suffered a heart attack as a result. In fact, most improved dramatically. In one study of 50 people who stopped statins and started coQ10, he reports, fatigue rates dropped from 84% to 16%; central nervous system problems, such as memory, fell from 8% to 4%.

Further, their ejection fractions, a measure of the heart's pumping power, showed striking improvement, as verified by echocardiograms. Langsjoen says ejection fraction "drops like a rock" in some patients who go on statins.

Langsjoen typically advises 300 mg coQ10 daily for heart patients, but says you also get benefits from 100 mg coQ10 a day.

The message: Whether or not you take statins, coQ10 can improve the functioning of your aging heart and probably your brain as well. CoQ10 is prescribed for Parkinson's patients, and has blocked Alzheimer's-like brain damage in animals, say Johns Hopkins researchers. ..

How safe is coQ10? Up to 1200 mg a day for sure, and 2400 mg a day has not caused significant side effects.

Release Date: August 5, 2006

not sure

by CathrynB - 2008-03-21 11:03:32

Hi darrell,
I'm not medically trained, I don't have EF problems, and I've never heard of a multi-vitamin doing anything to help ejection fraction, but I have read that some people's heartbeat function is improved by taking magnesium supplements, so perhaps if a multi-vitamin has magnesium in it that is the connection? Use the "search" function here on the PM Club website and type in "magnesium" and you'll see some previous postings and responses about this. Otherwise, I haven't a clue.
Best wishes in getting that EF up,

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