Post Pacemaker care

This is my comment raised on an earlier post, but I decided to post it under its own thread here, as one or two folk, may possibly identify with some of my issues re having a pacemaker fitted.
Comment as follows:
I do still have a but, regarding my aftercare.
Tracey, you said what an excellent team I had and in the main I agree. However, there are aspects to my care I do not think are or were very good.
Initially when diagnosed and prior to the fitting, my condition was explained very poorly to me, my options and prognosis were not discussed properly. In fact the cardiologist broke the news by just sticking his head round the curtain and said you have heartblock, I'm fitting a pacemaker this morning. Prior to that I had never even heard of heartblock. I accept it was something of an emergency, but in the UK certain procedures have to be followed when consenting a patient and although the consultant reappeared shortly after, I think mine were sketchy. (There are 2 plastic consultants in my family, so I do have a little help there).
Once fit, I had a short discussion with the cardiologist whilst I was on the trolley and an angiogram was decided. I had to chase this up and get the appointment made. There was no follow up appointment with a cardiologist at all.
The pacemaker technicians saw me on the ward and tweeked the PM and that was it.
When I didn't feel well after a week, infact I felt worse than before the PM was fitted, my GP referred me back to hospital. I had a night in and was told I was ok. Well I would be lying on a bed for 36 hours. I wasn't really listened to and was made to feel like a bit of a timewaster.
Still didn't feel well if I moved much. Not ideal, as it is hard to run your life either from bed or the settee.
I rang the techies and insisted they needed to see me. They found my problem as far as the PM was concerned as soon as they put me on the treadmill. Basically my pulse soared as soon as I became active. So they tweeked my PM again, explaining the standard setting was for a much older person.
Ummm, helloooooo, do I look like a much older person,?couldn't they have seen that before I left hospital the first time.
So my PM was tweeked again and yes I felt better, but was still having issues. So I rang them back and said still not ok. By now I felt very much as though I was being a nuisance. They twiddled around a bit, talking to themselves (I kept hearing things like - it's missing a beat here and putting an extra one in there ) but no one actually talked to me. I had to ask if all was ok and they just said yes. The cardiologist was summoned and I was sent out to wait. I could hear them talking about me (not pleasant when sat in a corridor waiting) and I could hear the voices suddenly dropped, I felt as though I were being discussed in not too kind a light.
The Cardiologist came to see me, said basically all your problems stem from not being fit (I can accept that) and although beta blockers would help, did I want to go down that route. Obviously not, if it could be helped.
I told him I had had difficulty coming to terms with it all, he offered me counselling. I declined, it's just not a thing us Brits do. I will get my head round it all myself. But I do feel if a bit more time and effort had been taken in the first case, to explain and make sure I was okay with it all, then I wouldn't feel how I feel now.
To the medical teams that deal with this, it's routine and just a part of their everyday.
To the patients, it's their life.
I think a lot more time and effort needs to be spent understanding this. Certainly in my part of the UK.
I do accept not all folk will want as much info as I do, or to understand quite so much, but I would have thought the majority do.
Has anyone who has never suffered from total heartblock, let alone heard of it prior to having it, any idea how flipping scary it is, to realise without this little electrical gadget you would be dead - it would seem to me probably not.
Have they any idea how nerve racking it is when you feel rubbish and wonder if you're going to die?
It is hard to know when to ring someone and say I'm not ok. I mean lets face it, it's not as though we have any experience of this beforehand.
No one likes to feel they are being a nuisance, but then I'm not too keen at the thought of snuffing it at 55 either.
How things are handled in the States, may well be different (although we as patients are not), but no effort has been put into why I had total heartblock in the first instance. I mean the cardiologist said it was unusual in a woman of my age - end of conversation. They cure the symptoms, but don't seek to find causes. No real prognosis has been discussed. The technician just said my condition will worsen with age. What condition? I thought the PM fixed that. One hand seems to say nothing wrong with you now, go and lead your life, the other says - don't do that you have a PM fitted. I find that conflict difficult to assess.
There is a reason I have gone into this at length. If I feel this way, then a pound to a penny, others will too - I am hardly that unique. So I thought I'd share my feelings and possibly help someone else.
I did ask the techies if what I was experiencing was common, they said no. I'm not sure I believe them. I am quite a vocal person and don't suffer from white coat syndrome. Others are less confident than me (for that you might read bolshy :-) ) and so might not find it so easy to push and press.
I am going to post this on the noticeboard for others to read, just maybe, someone one will find my thoughts helpful.
Cheers Jx


10 Comments

Ummm

by Jane21 - 2015-08-24 05:08:04

Thanks for your comments - positive and otherwise.
Ian, I enjoyed your response, but don't accept all your points. I am perfectly aware what the Pacemaker Technicians proper title is, At my local hospital I have only ever heard them referred to as this, even by other departments. I am also aware of how highly skilled they are and know precisely how long they train to reach their position. However it is rather a mouthful to type and so occasionally, I abbreviate. ( A habit I try not to practice in public). This is not done in any way to demean the status and qualifications of the teams who monitor my heart and my pacemaker. I did acknowledge in the main I had received excellent care,
Well, I am still alive, which has to be a bonus.
But I do feel more patient/medical services discussion should have taken place.Yes, even if it was to say look haven't a clue, but we can patch you up.
Also, sorry, but my heart (obviously can't speak for yours) is somewhat different to a television set and is infinitely less dispensable. If my TV breaks, I am a bit cheesed off. If my heart breaks, I am potentially dead.
I didn't know when I was feeling dire (post pacemaker implant) and still unable to climb the stairs whether this was normal. How should I be expected to know? I've never had a pacemaker fitted before. Obviously I wasn't expecting to suddenly start running up mountains - my lack of fitness and asthma would stop that, but just needed some reassurance I wasn't about to shuffle off my mortal coil. It turned out my PM (that is an abbreviation for pacemaker by the way, but by using it, it does not mean I undervalue it's role in keeping me on the road), also needed adjusting. Again, how was I supposed to know that.
It is easy when something happens to your body that is neither expected nor understood, but that could have very far reaching consequences, to be scared.
Simple as.
I was scared.
I'm now just slightly anxious at times, but as term starts next week I don't expect I shall have time to give any of it a second thought.
I'm also sure the highly skilled and competent team that look after me, are quite relieved that they don't have to see me for another 4 months, By which time I may well have developed several new and exciting illnesses to worry about.
In all honesty, I think you should also move to Skipton. It's a beautiful market town in the Yorkshire Dales, complete with its own medieval castle and a plethora of excellent pubs, all selling proper beer.
Now, I had better skidaddle and start some prep for the forthcoming term. Whoever said teachers did not give more than 100%?
See, we have a lot in common with so many of the medical services :-)
Cheers Jx

Hi Jane

by IAN MC - 2015-08-24 09:08:06

Hello unfit, asthmatic, teacher from Skipton ( proves I read your posts ! )

I think you have shown that some Drs communicate better than others , and this is not just a UK phenomenon , it applies all over the world.

But I'm not sure what they could have communicated to you regarding the causes and prognosis of your heart block

Would " I haven't a clue " made you feel any happier ; I guess it would if it had been wrapped up in some bedside-manner ; and it would have been truthful !

If you demanded to know from your TV engineer why your set had developed an electrical fault and what its prognosis was you would receive a shrug of the shoulders. Hearts are no different !

You still have a " condition " heart block . I still have a condition called Sick Sinus Syndrome . Our implants take care of the symptoms but we still suffer from those conditions. Take the implants away, and all the symptoms would return.

Medical conditions of any kind either go away, stay the same or get worse. Your heart block won't go away, and maybe that's what they were attempting to communicate to you.

I think in the UK cardiologists tend to leave far more of the communicating re implants to their " techies " as you call them ( they are in fact highly qualified in many aspects of cardiac care and like to be called Cardiac Physiologists ) . Maybe you drew the short straw and came across poor communicating techies as well as doctors. That is the luck of the draw !

It seems to me that when you needed to be seen you were seen immediately so the NHS is working well for you.

I think I should move to Skipton

Cheers

Ian






I understand

by Naomi - 2015-08-24 09:08:23

Hi Jane,

I live in America and I've had a similar experience as you I had 80% blockage and bradycardia and at 3 weeks post surgery my cardiologist answered my chest pain questions like this: it's not your heart I fixed that! And away he went! People on here have helped me more to understand my pm and some of the pains affiliated with the healing process!

So medical care seems the same all over the world, there are good docs, bad docs, and docs that don't talk to the patient!

So good luck!
Naomi

please stay...

by knb123 - 2015-08-25 01:08:31

Jane, please don't forsake the forum! Your account of your experience is just as valid as anyone else's on this site.

At the risk of repeating myself (and others): doctors come in all shapes and sizes (and abilities). Just as in any other profession, there are jerks out there. ("What do you call the person who finished last in his medical school class?" "Doctor.")

Your cardiologist gets no points for bedside manner. Absolutely appalling. I don't know the practice in the UK, but in the US if this happened to me, I would telegraph the poor level of care to hospital administration (and to my health insurance provider). As it is, I happened to have received excellent care when I received a PM for sudden-onset full heart block. And when the survey request came from my hospital, I made sure the appropriate people got kudos from me.

For my part, I was determined to follow doctors' orders to the letter and to be on the lookout for any and all warning signs/symptoms. I experienced few issues post-procedure but even for those I did have, I rang the doctor's office and/or the PM clinic to get answers. I cared not that I might be a nuisance; I have health insurance for precisely such circumstances.

In the US as in the UK (I would imagine), patients must be their own advocate and must be unrelenting about it. We cannot wait in hope that our docs will voluntarily take out time to explain to our satisfaction; we must take action and ask questions...LOTS of them, until we have a suitable understanding of our condition.

My best advice to you at this point is to equip yourself with a journal, write things down (especially the questions) and take them up with your doc at your next appointment--or sooner, if you're experiencing any symptoms.

Thanks

by Jane21 - 2015-08-25 01:08:42

Just a quick thanks for the humorous, sympathetic and empathetic comments.
I have in my 5 weeks here had a lot of help and occasionally suppressed a wry grin.
I shall focus on the positives and leave the negative behind.
Bit of a knee jerk reaction, silly on my part.
Now, I am going to take the world by storm - okay, possibly just taking the dog out for a walk will have to suffice and continue the good work in getting fit!
Cheers Jx

Thanks Busrider and Knb 123

by Jane21 - 2015-08-25 03:08:45

I am not really so silly as to cut my nose off to spite my face as they say and yes will continue to stay here.
I have had comments from some very helpful people and should remember that. I have also learned a lot about my situation and had some excellent advice.
Knb, I will get a journal and keep a log of any issues, that is a great idea and I will continue to be assertive in hospital :-)
Sooooo I shall still be around and still stick my twopennys worth in from time to time.
All the best
Jx

Well excuse me

by Jane21 - 2015-08-25 07:08:43

Sorry Cabg Patch, but I find your comments out right offensive.
This is a forum, right? This is for people who have had Pacemakers and ICDs fitted right? Who the hell are you to say your condition is less or more than anyone else's?
For starters you know nothing about my medical history, you know nothing about me.
From what I have read, there are many people on this forum with similar 'trivial' problems to me, who have experienced similar 'trivial' issues.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the purpose of the forum to provide a means of communication for those who have undergone similar experiences.
I felt there might be others who had had the same feelings as I and as such felt (and still do, by the way) that it was worth drawing attention to these feelings.
And as for any heart condition that if left unattended, could result in death, being a minor concern, well that's just crass.
I hope you continue to enjoy the forum, as I for one will not be using it again.

You're Right

by PeteFindlay - 2015-08-25 12:08:45

Speaking from the UK here, too, hoping you haven't abandoned the forum completely.

I do empathise with your position and frustration with after-care. Specifically, addressing the emotional trauma. Physically, having a PM fitted has been remarkably trouble free, and I haven't found it interfering with normal activities - including what some would consider extreme activities - at all. The medical treatment has been fine, the whole thing is really routine for the medical profession.

It wasn't routine for me, however. It's the single most traumatic medical issue I've ever had, and was a complete shock to me to find I needed a PM. I was very fit and healthy, with no symptoms whatsoever. No fainting, tiredness etc. My heart block was picked up by a routine ECG.

Thankfully, I've discovered that needing a PM isn't the end of life as I know it, I don't need to treat myself with kid gloves. So physically, it's almost been a non-event, apart from losing a couple of months recovering. I've gone form being fit and healthy with no symptoms.... to fit and healthy with no symptoms, put with a PM safety net.

I came out of hospital somewhat bewildered, not knowing what questions I should be asking of who, and with very little information. I've learned more through my own research and found some helpful resources - this forum, www.thepad.pm, for example, but I'm still a fair bit away from coming to terms with it all. It's very difficult to get all your questions together in your regular 10-15 minute appointment every 6 months (or annually now), so we do need other support, and local support groups are few and far between, at least in this part of the UK.

Of course, there are those that will say you should be grateful to have a heartbeat at all, and have no reason to complain etc. None of which is particularly helpful when you're struggling to come to terms with your own situation.

So no, you're not alone.

Pete



Fears and Support

by Sabine - 2015-08-27 05:08:56

Jane, I, too, had an emergency PM implant for total heart block (I was 51) and also had the surgery whilst awake and talking and afraid. I have had good experiences with the medical staff but they are all so busy and rushed here. I got the most valuable advice from this forum, so I'm glad you are staying!

Through the advice of some dedicated helpers here I realized that I should have had another lead put in (long story, but that's the gist of it). This led to getting a better and smaller new pacemaker the second time (7 years after the first implant) in addition to the new atrial lead. Without the forum, I would still be struggling along exhausted all the time. But I am doing great now. I don't feel this PM and forget I have it most of the time.

I enjoy reading your posts and will try to remember to check in here more often.

Saved my life

by Ariela - 2015-08-31 07:08:08

Jane, I hope you stay. This forum has saved my life by recommending that I go to the emergency and get some help. I did, and I would probably have stayed home and tried to tough it out.

It takes all kinds of people to make this world! I used to do wildlife rehabilitation specializing in raccoons. I nursed two babies who had came to me with their eyes closed for several months. I spent hours with them, but then it was time to let them go free in my woods. I asked a question to a website rehab site, and unfortunately someone made some sarcastic comments about them being eaten up quickly for lunch! I cried my heart out! (They did not -- they are still around and come back in the evenings for their granola bars)

I have watched very kind and generous people give of their time and knowledge to all of us, and I wish I knew enough about pacemaker to "pay forward." Hang in there!

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