Pacemaker lead dislodgment twice in a row?

Hi!

I'm 17 years old and on Nov. 5, I received a dual-chamber pacemaker for Sick Sinus Syndrome.

After waking up in recovery, I experienced just a few arrhythmias which I attributed them to my heart just being "normal."- you know just my daily thing.

However, 4 hours after the implant, the arrhythmias got way worse and they turned to runs where my heart would beat an irregular beat and continue very fast and irregularly. This worsened over night and was leaving my fatigued as every time I went to walk, the arrhythmias would "turn on" and every single beat would be irregular, leaving me out of breath.

i texted my cardiologist and he told me to meet him the ER of Children's Hospital the following morning. He told me everything was fine, and the ER doc said the x ray looked perfect.

Well, they were wrong.

A few days later, I go to my follow-up visit and have the Medtronic Lady do the function test. She says she doesn't have capture in the ventricular lead even at the highest sensitivity. My other cardiologist ( the surgeon) takes one look at the x ray and says the cable is way out of place and instead of being near the end (the tip of the ventricle) , it's to the side near the entry( and exit) and of the right atrium.

So, he has me go to the operating room 3 hours later and "fixes" it. That was Friday.

On saturday, i get the same type of arrhythmias that obviously arose suspicion in me of lead displacement. So, my mom and I go to another ER. It's a teaching hospital so the resident and radiologist looked over my x ray and said everything looked "neat!" A medtronic guy comes over 2 hours later and immediately tells us that he does not sense the atrial lead in 4 volts and the ventricular one is off by a bit. The report alo says high threshold in the atrial lead.

My setting at that that moment for the atrial lead was 1.0 V and he had to turn it up to 5.0V to make it work. The Medtronic guy goes to the look at the Xray, comes back laughing maniacally and tells us the doctors there don't know crap. He say the atrial lead does not have the J shape and appears pulled and is completely straight and barely in the atrium. The ventricular lead has moved and lost its form.

The pacemaker report also said that in that week, i had 132 PVC singles and 11 PVC runs.


Yesterday, we went back to my second cardiologist and he looks at the x ray and says the atrial lead has definitely moved.

The atrial lead caused phrenic nerve stimulation, resulting in violent right-sided diaphragmatic stimulation. It occurred on the way to the hospital ( to the ER on Monday) and while at the ER.
( HAS THIS EVERY HAPPENED TO ANYONE??)

Finally, the cardiologist operated yesterday for the third time and repositioned both wires. An xray was taken and another doctor commented that the atrial lead was not placed correctly. It is still at 90 degreed in the atrium but just more inside. the cardiologist explained to me that my right atrium is abnormally small and makes it difficult for them to place the, correctly.

I've already had to have two lead revisions, and I don't want to find out on my next follow-up visit that I need another.( it's this friday)

Does anyone else have an atrial lead without the J form?

Why would all this happen? I barely moved my left arm! :(

Is it the surgeon's fault? It appears to me that when I leave the hospital, everything's in place, but less than 48 hours later, they're already dislodged.


11 Comments

Quack For Dr. Causes Problems

by SMITTY - 2012-11-14 05:11:10

Hello Girl Dreamer,

Yes it is the surgeon's fault. In my opinion a more accurate name for him would be quack. There are too many (thousands) PM implants made everyday where the leads without even a problem for me to believe yours are worthy of being called a dr. I suggest that you keep a copy of the message you posted here and let an attorney tell you who he thinks is at fault.

I've had the phrenic nerve stimulation and know it is not fun. My problem was corrected (?) by deadening the phrenic nerve which brought on a basket full of problems and I'll never get all of them corrected. So, I do not recommend that solution for anyone.

One last word, believe it or not PMs are wonderful inventions and there are too many solving a SSS problem for people for you be going the hell you must be having.

I wish you the best,

Smitty

maybe

by Tracey_E - 2012-11-14 05:11:30

It may be the surgeon is incompetent, but it's also possible your heart doesn't like the type of lead they used, that they were originally in the correct place but wouldn't stay there. There are several types of leads, some have barbs, some have screws. With some hearts, one kind won't stick so they have to use the other. Since it's both leads, I'd say this is something that needs to be at least discussed before another surgery. Or he could be a quack.

I'm so sorry you've been through so much already, prayers it goes well and you are on the mend.

last thought, devils advocate

by Tracey_E - 2012-11-14 05:11:31

If everything is perfect, if the heart is the correct size and shape, it's still hard as heck to get the leads placed. The heart is a moving, working muscle and it doesn't slow down or stop long enough for them to place the lead, and they're doing it all by remote via xray, I find it amazing they ever get it right the first try. Add in an extra small or irregularly shaped heart, and a tougher than usual heart wall (most common reason why one type of lead may not work for you), and it's not hard to imagine they had trouble getting it to stick.

Dreamer

by Bill T - 2012-11-14 05:11:38

Wow, sounds like you are being used as a training tool for the doctor. Going through that isn't right and the fact that he or she can't even read the xray and identify the lead positions really would make me question the doctor's qualifications. Maybe it time to be thinking about checking with a lawyer and if nothing else, put this QUACK out of business. What you have already gone through isn't right, there are too many good EPs and Cardiologists in this world and you shouldn't be put thought this even once let alone again and again.

This is still girl dreamer, had to change username

by girl dreamer2 - 2012-11-14 06:11:36

hi guys. Something happened that I couldn't log in back so I made a new account.

Smitty:
I do have my doubts about the doctor, but they keep telling me he;s the best for the pediatric field. I do believe that pacemakers are wonderful, however.

I live in Puerto Rico and there are only 4 cardio-thoracic surgeons, so they tell me. i'm being treated at Centro Cardiovascular de Puerto Rico y del caribs at Centro Médico. It's the biggest and best in the island.

The doctors treating me had put thousands of pacemakers but he has problems with me. Also, once that cardiologist has implanted the pacemaker, no other doctor will touch it. That's kid on a ethical law.

Do you know what shape your leads are? I'd be happy to send you a pic of my x-ray via email.

Bill T: As I mentioned aboved, I really have no other option. And every time we go back to re-positon the lead(s), we have to pay $ 100.

Tracey E: I understand your point of view.

What if when we go back in a couple of days to check the function, a lead is dislodged? I mean, to be back under and then have it happen again would be futile.
Some nurses have accused me of doing some exercises that have caused the dislodgements. I was like hell no. The doctor agreed it wasn't me.

I always wanted them to let me stay in the hospital for 24 hours and then check the leads and see what happens. but no, they send me home and then I have to come back.

Miami

by Tracey_E - 2012-11-14 07:11:04

If you have problems again, can you fly to Miami? There is a Cleveland Clinic nearby and Miami Childrens is awesome for hearts. Other cardiologists commonly refer their challenges to either them.

It would be normal to keep you for 24 hrs to follow up, esp considering you had problems before. That's pretty standard here. When I got my first one they had trouble also and wouldn't let me out of bed for that 24 hrs to make sure nothing happened to the leads.

Hoping you don't need more surgeries!!!!

Miami

by girl dreamer - 2012-11-14 07:11:19

I don't think it'd be possible for me to fly to Florida. My parents wouldn't okay it.

I still can't believe that the three times I've had the surgery, I've never once stayed in the hospital overnight. And you'd they'd learn a lesson?

My dad is out of Puerto Rico right now so if they give us bad news on Friday, ad they decide to operate that same day, they can't because my dad won't be there to sign :(

I had the same experience!

by bamafan - 2012-11-15 01:11:50

I had a Medtronic MRI safe screw-in lead to begin with and had phrenic nerve stimulation. I was told after a week that the lead was out of place. I then switched doctors and hospitals and had a second surgery a month later, where they attempted to use the same lead. But... I had the same symptoms post op and was again told my lead was out of place for the 3rd time. I then had the surgery another month later. I used the same doctor and he switched the lead type to J-hook and it has stayed in place. I am now one year after the last surgery. I was told by the cardiologist the lead was defective.

I wish you well and hope you have success the next time. I know it is very frustrating.....

To Bamafan

by girl dreamer - 2012-11-15 03:11:41

Wow. It is really frustrating, isn't it?

For me, all my 3 surgeries have occurred within a span of 10 days.

Plus when people don't believe your symptoms, u just want to cry. :(

You'll be in my thoughts! I'll update when I get the chance of the news I'll get tomorrow.

YUP

by Pookie - 2012-11-15 05:11:03

my story is very similar to yours - i had mine dislodge 3 times within 10 days of having my pacemaker.

solution - new surgeon - he used the screw type tip at the end of the lead instead of the fish hook type. hasn't moved since and that was back in 2004.

best of luck & please keep us posted.

pookie

to Pookie

by girl dreamer - 2012-11-15 11:11:01

really?! I can't really change surgeons. It's also not up to me since I'm a minor.

I guess three times the charm? Tomorrow I'm getting it checked and I can't even imagine being told there's loss of capture and what not.

Today is Day 2 Post-op and the pain is worse than yesterday. It's been really sharp around the generator.

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