Lead displacement

Hi!

Firstly I would like to thank whoever has put together this forum wherein everyone associated/connected (directly/indirectly or thru a Lead!)to a cardio-verter. It is quite informative.

I'm 38, Rheaumatoid Arthritis patient since 1996, morbidly obese (appx 230Lbs) , HTN since 2008. Yep, Bio's quite impressive.

Was diagnosed with an InfraHisian 2:1 AV block in my pumping station. Got a dual chamber MRI compatible pacemaker (Biotronik) implanted on the 12th July 2012.

Things went of well. Since my left side had some veins blocked, it was implanted on the right side with 2 leads. One going on the top atrium, another in the bottom Ventricle. 14th July, upon checking the parameters etc, some readings were wrong and upon checking under the flourascent machine in the OT, docs (and me!) Came to know that the top lead has displaced and fallen down. Well all hell broke loose. N since I was still in the hosp, doc performed another surgery and after a no of rounds of making me cough hard n breath heavy on the OT, they fixed it. Btw, I'm told since I'm overwght, they have used leads with screws and not hooks. ( This has now changed - since leads with hooks are not MRI compatible, they have used screw ones!).

Everything was ok. I was again checked on the 16th and let off.

Yesterday I again visited for my review and when readings were taken- Boom! Again the same thing has happened. The top lead has fallen down. Bottom one going to the ventricle is ok.

The explanation is a mix of the lead being heavy due to the screw as well as hook one not MRI compatible.

Well they have reprogrammed my device to work as single chamber , giving impulse to the bottom lead to the ventricle. They say that since my own hearts pacing is 70 at the moment , the single lead / single chamber setting is doing the main part- sensing and pacing the heart upon a fall (below 40 BPM), I may not need a dual chamber function. They would want to monitor. But yes the fallen lead will have to be surgically dealt with.

Options ( in order of best-last) given to me n my questions/concerns to my fellow forum members:

1. Take out the fallen lead and run my device on one lead only. As a Single chamber giving assistance to the ventricle.

Q: then why was I installed with a costly dual chamber? Wot if I actually need a dual chamber PM?

2. Take out the lead and implant a new one.

Q: won't that fall off? Yeah I'm sure it would.

3. Take the lead out and explore putting a hooked one. MRI thing can be worked out. Maybe will have to avoid MRi in future.

Q: I paid appx 70K INR more for the MRI compatible. Since I'm an RA patient, never know when I may need an MRI.

4. Go under the Surgeons knife who will rip my chest apart n then implant in my heart - this surely is not a good idea as per the cardio's. And I agree.


As per them, the verdict is that the Atriel lead (top lead) in a dual chamber PM did not work for me.

People, what do you suggest. And is it sounding like a good up? I've been very careful about immobilization etc. From my side , after getting slit twice and spending hours on that table with my RA, I've been really careful. So leads fall off like this? Is it that I'm unfortunate OR a victim of medical negligence? Do I take a second opinion or just follow wot my current life saviors are saying? Its one of the prestigious hospitals here in india with senior cardios.

Thanks and await comments.

Love you all,

An Indian with a american accent , who loves British underground music and with a german second heart.


5 Comments

thx

by aman73 - 2012-07-22 02:07:38

Hey Frank, thanks. I'm kinda getting clear now. Just worried on your comment 1. If the wall was an issue, would they have checked? So you suggest that I should have the lead replaced? I'm still kindaa concerned if these guys messed it up or its my bad luck. Yes its an easy way out for the cardio to charge for a dual chamber n get a single chamber work done via one lead. But at the end of the day, after 2 painful surgeries in a row of 3 days, I'm kinda tense that -Again!!! N still have no guarantee if they have a final fix to my problem. You suggest a second opinion? Maybe this thing has not happened with my present cardiac center but maybe it has at other places. Thanks once again!

Options

by ElectricFrank - 2012-07-22 02:07:52

1. Unless your heart wall is a total mess there is no reason why they can't get a lead to stay in place.
2. You hit it on the head with your questioning why they put in a dual chamber in the first place. The only way to have normal synchronization between the atrium and ventricle is to have a sensing lead in the in the atrium.
3. There are two common types of lead tips. One is the screw type and the other the hook/barb tip. My cardio told me that either worked about as well.

A senior cardio while possibly more competent is no insurance against laziness. If he can get you out the door and happy with one lead so much the better for him. You paid for it so demand what you paid for. Would you buy a upper end fancy car and then be satisfied with it missing on half it's cylinders?

frank

Heart wall

by ElectricFrank - 2012-07-24 01:07:31

My cardio warned me that he might have problems getting the leads placed in my ventricle since I have had untreated (by choice) high chlorestoral for years. He said my heart wall was probably a mess of scar tissue.

I'm glad I chose to remain fully awake (no sedative) during the implant, because I heard the conversation in the OR when he got a good placement on the first try. The lead checked out great and has been that way since 2004.

I don't think there is any easy way to see the heart wall. They watch the lead with a fluoroscopic imager as they thread it down the vein and into the heart. Your blocked veins do make for a more difficult situation.

The reason for the second lead is to be able to control the timing between chambers to give a more normal beat.

frank

Leads displaced 3 times...

by bamafan - 2012-08-10 12:08:55

Were your leads Medtronic? Were the ones that came out screw-in or hooks? I had 1st PM insertion last year with Medtronic screw-in (MRI safe) leads. The leads became displaced twice. On the third time, leads were changed to Boston Scientific J-hooks, which have held, as far as I know.

Please let me know, I have been trying to find out if there was ANYONE who struggled with the insertion of the Medtronic screw-in leads.

Thanks

leads

by aman73 - 2012-08-11 02:08:09

The lead which came out twice was a Biotronik screw in. Now for the third time I've got a medtronik lead fixed via a different Doc/hosp as I was advised its not the leads but the technique. I don't know if this time it was the screw or the hook type but since I have a biotronik PM MRI compatible, they've used a medtronik MRI compatible lead. I've just come bk from hosp today morning india time. Now keeping my fingers crossed for the follow up next week. Tke cre.

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